Comments on: Veterans Day http://www.todayscommonsense.com/2008/11/23/veterans-day/ Common Sense in today's world! Posts are first drafts not as published Fri, 09 Jul 2010 16:13:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Fred http://www.todayscommonsense.com/2008/11/23/veterans-day/comment-page-1/#comment-6330 Fred Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:00:12 +0000 http://www.the-drews.com/2008/11/23/veterans-day/#comment-6330 I really don't see where the "whiner" description is valid. Perhaps it is a description of a poorly treated population segment that you fail to understand. I really don’t see where the “whiner” description is valid. Perhaps it is a description of a poorly treated population segment that you fail to understand.

]]> By: Paul Borones http://www.todayscommonsense.com/2008/11/23/veterans-day/comment-page-1/#comment-6329 Paul Borones Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:26:48 +0000 http://www.the-drews.com/2008/11/23/veterans-day/#comment-6329 What I don't get is why most veterans become such whiners. Can you answer that? What I don’t get is why most veterans become such whiners. Can you answer that?

]]> By: Stan http://www.todayscommonsense.com/2008/11/23/veterans-day/comment-page-1/#comment-6322 Stan Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:55:47 +0000 http://www.the-drews.com/2008/11/23/veterans-day/#comment-6322 Well, it still sounds like myth."Sounds like" and <i>being</i> the epithet are different things, if you don't mind my saying. I don't have a desire to re-fight that one, actually, and you are correct in saying that it makes little difference today until we start looking at the "lessons" we draw from that war. The lesson I'm afraid the upper echelons took was that you can't trust a citizen-based army and, thus, the birth of the so-called volunteer army and the rise of a new mercenary force, ones that are able to be trusted because they are more thoroughly bought and more thoroughly brainwashed. But no war without a constitutionally correct declaration from the people's representatives--Congress. Well, it still sounds like myth.”Sounds like” and being the epithet are different things, if you don’t mind my saying. I don’t have a desire to re-fight that one, actually, and you are correct in saying that it makes little difference today until we start looking at the “lessons” we draw from that war. The lesson I’m afraid the upper echelons took was that you can’t trust a citizen-based army and, thus, the birth of the so-called volunteer army and the rise of a new mercenary force, ones that are able to be trusted because they are more thoroughly bought and more thoroughly brainwashed.
But no war without a constitutionally correct declaration from the people’s representatives–Congress.

]]> By: Fred http://www.todayscommonsense.com/2008/11/23/veterans-day/comment-page-1/#comment-6321 Fred Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:24:41 +0000 http://www.the-drews.com/2008/11/23/veterans-day/#comment-6321 It makes little difference today except to demonstrate the self-seeking viciousness of the time. I personally am against war and see the best way of reducing the likelihood of future ones by establishing responsibility, requiring a specific declaration and that all living members of Congress vote either yes or no. No equivocating! As to who was responsible for the loss, I feel it was the mismanagement of the prosecution of the war by the generals and President Johnson. This even carried on to the aftermath when whole segments of the population were liquidated, such as the hundreds of thousands of Hmungs. It makes little difference today except to demonstrate the self-seeking viciousness of the time.
I personally am against war and see the best way of reducing the likelihood of future ones by establishing responsibility, requiring a specific declaration and that all living members of Congress vote either yes or no. No equivocating!
As to who was responsible for the loss, I feel it was the mismanagement of the prosecution of the war by the generals and President Johnson. This even carried on to the aftermath when whole segments of the population were liquidated, such as the hundreds of thousands of Hmungs.

]]> By: Fred http://www.todayscommonsense.com/2008/11/23/veterans-day/comment-page-1/#comment-6320 Fred Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:58:48 +0000 http://www.the-drews.com/2008/11/23/veterans-day/#comment-6320 When I returned to Travis AFB, before continuing on to Pensacola in 1969. We were in a bus going to Treasure Island (San Francisco)and there was a demonstration at the gate. I heard a number of epithets one of which sounded like "Baby Killer". This was quite early, still. I "heard" subsequently about similar demonstrations later on. When I returned to Travis AFB, before continuing on to Pensacola in 1969. We were in a bus going to Treasure Island (San Francisco)and there was a demonstration at the gate. I heard a number of epithets one of which sounded like “Baby Killer”. This was quite early, still. I “heard” subsequently about similar demonstrations later on.

]]> By: Stan http://www.todayscommonsense.com/2008/11/23/veterans-day/comment-page-1/#comment-6319 Stan Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:01:17 +0000 http://www.the-drews.com/2008/11/23/veterans-day/#comment-6319 "I remember coming home to chants of being a “baby killer”." I lived through that period, protested both before and after I was drafted (and silent in between), and I don't recall this happening to anyone I know. Further, I've done some research and the accusation that such things happened seems to be connected to the emergence of "revisionist" movies quite a few years after the war, most particularly, Rambo, where that is one of John Rambo's complaint. Did you have personal experiences? Where? When? Who was involved. I'm interested. History <i>has<i> been rewritten to make those of us who opposed that war the reason we lost rather than the actuality of a leadership at just about every level lying about the causes and conduct of the war. -stan- “I remember coming home to chants of being a “baby killer”.”

I lived through that period, protested both before and after I was drafted (and silent in between), and I don’t recall this happening to anyone I know. Further, I’ve done some research and the accusation that such things happened seems to be connected to the emergence of “revisionist” movies quite a few years after the war, most particularly, Rambo, where that is one of John Rambo’s complaint.

Did you have personal experiences? Where? When? Who was involved. I’m interested. History has been rewritten to make those of us who opposed that war the reason we lost rather than the actuality of a leadership at just about every level lying about the causes and conduct of the war.
-stan-

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